silentblade · Apr 20, 2006, 02:53 PM // 14:53

is it really worth it to buy a 15%>50 rather than 14%>50 i try testing it adn the 15%>50 does around 1 to 5 dmg more..pls give me an advice on whether to spend 100k+ectos on a 15>50 intead of 80k or less.

all the weapons are uncustomized no mods everything same except the 15>50 and the 14>50 they r both horn bows

tuperwho · Apr 20, 2006, 03:00 PM // 15:00

They're all = . For that matter, buy a 13^50 for practically nothing, and the numbers will be almost identicle.

boxterduke · Apr 20, 2006, 03:15 PM // 15:15

Also I notice that a lot of people with perfect weapons do not customize them making a 13>50 customized weapon deal more damage with the +20 customization.

Mandy Memory · Apr 20, 2006, 04:07 PM // 16:07

in pve, it doesnt matter. anything 12^50 or higher is nice though (The 20% from customization is the big bonus)

Hockster · Apr 20, 2006, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Originally Posted by boxterduke

Also I notice that a lot of people with perfect weapons do not customize them making a 13>50 customized weapon deal more damage with the +20 customization.

Only the ones that have no intention of ever using them:

Haggard · Apr 20, 2006, 05:42 PM // 17:42

You sure like wingblades.. and fire.

Mandy Memory · Apr 20, 2006, 05:56 PM // 17:56

Such...Bad...Mods....Painful...To...See....

Hockster · Apr 20, 2006, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

Such...Bad...Mods....Painful...To...See....

How so? Each hilt was tested against the specific foe it's designed for.
Unless you're one of those people that still think sundering and furious mods are actually useful.

Skele and Deathbane didn't actually have any elemental hilt that did more damage, I just happened to have a few extras kicking around.

Mandy Memory · Apr 20, 2006, 06:06 PM // 18:06

If sundering overwrote those of Xslaying, I would take that over what you have. You dont even have a sword for killing anything but those specific types of monsters.

The shocking and fiery are fine...the cruel and all your suffixes are...subpar.

Unless of course you only farm those...in that case...more power to you, farm those charr.

leprekan · Apr 20, 2006, 06:13 PM // 18:13

LOL, now we know where all the wingblades are

Hockster · Apr 21, 2006, 02:24 AM // 02:24

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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

If sundering overwrote those of Xslaying, I would take that over what you have. You dont even have a sword for killing anything but those specific types of monsters.

The shocking and fiery are fine...the cruel and all your suffixes are...subpar.

Unless of course you only farm those...in that case...more power to you, farm those charr.

What makes you think those are the only swords I own? That's a fairly retarded supposition. Slaying mods subpar?

Sundering....LOL, that alone says volumes.

Don Zardeone · Apr 21, 2006, 05:21 AM // 05:21

I've been comparing axemods.

A shocking axe does 2-13 more damage on trolls than a normal axe. Since the sundering effect doesn't happen 100% of the time, shocking outperforms:
- vampiric (vampiric only gives a measly +3 damage, compare that to the extra damage of shocking..)
- Sundering: (a perfect sundering has like 10% chance to take away maybe 10 armour or whatever which could result in maybe a +3 damage hit on a troll (trolls have extra armpur vs physical)
- furious: I would take the extra damage over furious

He uses elemental upgrades in PvE. Sundering is prety useless in PvE. Sundering has it's uses but replacing any of his mods with sundering would be stupid.

And to the OP.

Do not spend tens of thousands of gold on a weapon that looks good but has less than a +15% damage mod.
Buy one cheap from a trader or collector and use that. It will have +15% ^50, in stance or while enchanted.
They only cost about 6k (materials included if you buy the materials from players, which is very very cheap with all the farming going on,without the farming it would be more expensive)

Kamatsu · Apr 21, 2006, 06:01 AM // 06:01

My advice is this - if you have the gold/ecto's and that extra ~1-5 damage is worth the extra cash then buy it. Otherwise stick with the 14>50 or collector bows (which are perfect 15>50..).

Seriously though, in PvE the extra damage isn't really worth the extra cost IMO. Unless of course you have the gold/ecto's and absolutely have to have perfect mods on non-collector item's.. PvP is another matter entirely.. but still don't see why you'd fizzle out in pvp with 14>50 instead of 15>50 .. *shrugs*

Edge Martinez · Apr 21, 2006, 06:15 AM // 06:15

Just do what feels right. You know how long it took you to earn 100k+ectos. If 1 or 2 % greater damage is worth that to you, by all means you should buy it. I use Victo's Maul on my warrior and it's Sundering and a hammer. That's a double negative to most folks, but the main thing is I like it.

Don Zardeone · Apr 21, 2006, 06:30 AM // 06:30

The advantage may be small but it is there.
I'd go with collectors or merchant items if I couldn't afford a decent good looking weapon.

You need to be careful with buying good looking stuff though. Req7 or 8 is worth a lot but req12 is the same as req 7 if you have 12 points in your attribute. You can shave off a few 100k by buying a req 11-12-13.

If you look at the THK mission (I use that example a lot), you'll notice that a lot of people there do very little damage. Especially the warriors. They use good looking but badly statted equipment which makes them very inefficient.

Some of the players there require you to show your items in the tradewindow before even getting into the team (mainly to check if you're infused but w/e..)

Mandy Memory · Apr 21, 2006, 06:33 AM // 06:33

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Originally Posted by Hockster

What makes you think those are the only swords I own? That's a fairly retarded supposition. Slaying mods subpar?

Sundering....LOL, that alone says volumes.

Yeah...but I never said sundering was good...just better than what you have.

Don Zardeone · Apr 21, 2006, 06:41 AM // 06:41

Sundering is only good when the other mods fail to be effective.
If you're spiking a target which is running away and this target has resistance to elemental damage then...

- Vampiric will only drain your own hp because you won't be hitting the runner enough
- zealous will drain your energy for the same reason
- furious won't help much because you'd already have full adren
- elemental would make you do less damage
- crippling, heavy, cruel, poisonous etc... would only work if you had the condition on your target

That leaves only sundering. and a chance of 10% is better than no chance at all =/

TheMosesPHD · Apr 21, 2006, 09:10 AM // 09:10

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Originally Posted by Hockster

What makes you think those are the only swords I own? That's a fairly retarded supposition. Slaying mods subpar?

Sundering....LOL, that alone says volumes.

Well if you own more...wah! Where is all your storage space?

Rajamic · Apr 21, 2006, 10:12 AM // 10:12

Unless you are doing 100+ damage, the difference between 14>50 and 15>50 will be eaten up by rounding error on almost every attack.

Hockster · Apr 21, 2006, 11:17 AM // 11:17

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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

Yeah...but I never said sundering was good...just better than what you have.

But it isn't. Not even close.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Zardeone

Sundering is only good when the other mods fail to be effective.
If you're spiking a target which is running away and this target has resistance to elemental damage then...

- Vampiric will only drain your own hp because you won't be hitting the runner enough
- zealous will drain your energy for the same reason
- furious won't help much because you'd already have full adren
- elemental would make you do less damage
- crippling, heavy, cruel, poisonous etc... would only work if you had the condition on your target

That leaves only sundering. and a chance of 10% is better than no chance at all =/

Elemental damage increases the total amount on virtually every PvE foe. The trick is finding what is vulnerable to a particular element. The obvious exception be rangers. But look at most mobs, almost without fail the mob is mixed, and doing extra damage aganst the monks, casters and warriors is a very fair trade off on doing a bit less damage against the rangers.

There are aslo a few foes that have resistance to slashing damage. Adding an elemental hilt over a sundering/furious/vamp is really a no brainer in that scenario.

The mods weren't added because they don't work. For me and my style of play, these consistently do the highest amount of damage.

Apr 20, 2006, 02:53 PM // 14:53	#1
silentblade Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2006 Guild: sc Profession: N/Mo	questions on dmg is it really worth it to buy a 15%>50 rather than 14%>50 i try testing it adn the 15%>50 does around 1 to 5 dmg more..pls give me an advice on whether to spend 100k+ectos on a 15>50 intead of 80k or less. all the weapons are uncustomized no mods everything same except the 15>50 and the 14>50 they r both horn bows

Apr 20, 2006, 03:00 PM // 15:00	#2
tuperwho Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Tenacious Knights of Doom [TKD]	They're all = . For that matter, buy a 13^50 for practically nothing, and the numbers will be almost identicle.

Apr 20, 2006, 03:15 PM // 15:15	#3
boxterduke Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Walking the ruins of Ascalon Guild: DVDF Profession: Me/	Also I notice that a lot of people with perfect weapons do not customize them making a 13>50 customized weapon deal more damage with the +20 customization.

Apr 20, 2006, 04:07 PM // 16:07	#4
Mandy Memory Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Guild: Xen of Sigils [XoO] Profession: W/	in pve, it doesnt matter. anything 12^50 or higher is nice though (The 20% from customization is the big bonus)

Apr 20, 2006, 05:42 PM // 17:42	#6
Haggard Desert Nomad Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Urmston, Manchester, UK Guild: Greener Pastures [DVDF] Profession: W/Rt	You sure like wingblades.. and fire.

Apr 20, 2006, 05:56 PM // 17:56	#7
Mandy Memory Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Guild: Xen of Sigils [XoO] Profession: W/	Such...Bad...Mods....Painful...To...See....

Apr 20, 2006, 06:06 PM // 18:06	#9
Mandy Memory Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Guild: Xen of Sigils [XoO] Profession: W/	If sundering overwrote those of Xslaying, I would take that over what you have. You dont even have a sword for killing anything but those specific types of monsters. The shocking and fiery are fine...the cruel and all your suffixes are...subpar. Unless of course you only farm those...in that case...more power to you, farm those charr.

Apr 20, 2006, 06:13 PM // 18:13	#10
leprekan Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005 Guild: Posers and Wannabes [nubs] Profession: W/E	LOL, now we know where all the wingblades are

Apr 21, 2006, 05:21 AM // 05:21	#12
Don Zardeone Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005	I've been comparing axemods. A shocking axe does 2-13 more damage on trolls than a normal axe. Since the sundering effect doesn't happen 100% of the time, shocking outperforms: - vampiric (vampiric only gives a measly +3 damage, compare that to the extra damage of shocking..) - Sundering: (a perfect sundering has like 10% chance to take away maybe 10 armour or whatever which could result in maybe a +3 damage hit on a troll (trolls have extra armpur vs physical) - furious: I would take the extra damage over furious He uses elemental upgrades in PvE. Sundering is prety useless in PvE. Sundering has it's uses but replacing any of his mods with sundering would be stupid. And to the OP. Do not spend tens of thousands of gold on a weapon that looks good but has less than a +15% damage mod. Buy one cheap from a trader or collector and use that. It will have +15% ^50, in stance or while enchanted. They only cost about 6k (materials included if you buy the materials from players, which is very very cheap with all the farming going on,without the farming it would be more expensive)

Apr 21, 2006, 06:01 AM // 06:01	#13
Kamatsu Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Location: Australia	My advice is this - if you have the gold/ecto's and that extra ~1-5 damage is worth the extra cash then buy it. Otherwise stick with the 14>50 or collector bows (which are perfect 15>50..). Seriously though, in PvE the extra damage isn't really worth the extra cost IMO. Unless of course you have the gold/ecto's and absolutely have to have perfect mods on non-collector item's.. PvP is another matter entirely.. but still don't see why you'd fizzle out in pvp with 14>50 instead of 15>50 .. shrugs

Apr 21, 2006, 06:15 AM // 06:15	#14
Edge Martinez Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: NC Guild: DKL	Just do what feels right. You know how long it took you to earn 100k+ectos. If 1 or 2 % greater damage is worth that to you, by all means you should buy it. I use Victo's Maul on my warrior and it's Sundering and a hammer. That's a double negative to most folks, but the main thing is I like it.

Apr 21, 2006, 06:30 AM // 06:30	#15
Don Zardeone Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005	The advantage may be small but it is there. I'd go with collectors or merchant items if I couldn't afford a decent good looking weapon. You need to be careful with buying good looking stuff though. Req7 or 8 is worth a lot but req12 is the same as req 7 if you have 12 points in your attribute. You can shave off a few 100k by buying a req 11-12-13. If you look at the THK mission (I use that example a lot), you'll notice that a lot of people there do very little damage. Especially the warriors. They use good looking but badly statted equipment which makes them very inefficient. Some of the players there require you to show your items in the tradewindow before even getting into the team (mainly to check if you're infused but w/e..)

Apr 21, 2006, 06:41 AM // 06:41	#17
Don Zardeone Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005	Sundering is only good when the other mods fail to be effective. If you're spiking a target which is running away and this target has resistance to elemental damage then... - Vampiric will only drain your own hp because you won't be hitting the runner enough - zealous will drain your energy for the same reason - furious won't help much because you'd already have full adren - elemental would make you do less damage - crippling, heavy, cruel, poisonous etc... would only work if you had the condition on your target That leaves only sundering. and a chance of 10% is better than no chance at all =/

Apr 21, 2006, 10:12 AM // 10:12	#19
Rajamic Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: IA Guild: Chronicles of Heroes [CoH] Profession: R/Me	Unless you are doing 100+ damage, the difference between 14>50 and 15>50 will be eaten up by rounding error on almost every attack.